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Check out our massive fire safety plan PDF. We haven't submitted it anywhere yet, so now's the time to read it over and let us know what you think. Would you feel safe if this is what the people shooting you with flamethrowers were doing?
www.interpretivearson.com/ddi/safety
www.interpretivearson.com/ddi/safety
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Re: Safety plan is online
Mon, May 23, 2005 - 9:08 AMKill switches? Perimeter control? Forced air respirator? Temperature monitors?
I'm amazed the BORG2 gave you ANY money for such ridiculous stuff.
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Mon, May 23, 2005 - 3:23 PMYep, you should see how Jim Mason et caterva work at the Shipyard.
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Tue, May 24, 2005 - 8:51 AMSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
you never ever know who's reading these things
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Thu, June 2, 2005 - 5:34 PMThe thing is, someone *else* might get hurt if we're not safe. Also, you can bet this thing will be closely scrutinized.
Also, one of the things we're trying to "say" with DDI is that people really can be trusted to be responsible. We currently live in a very regulated, litiginous society. In order to reverse this trend, we have to demonstrate that the world doesn't end when you give the freaks freedom.
This is also why the safety plan is public.
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Thu, May 26, 2005 - 11:37 AMIan,
Reading through the safety plan, things sound good for saftey, but I have a gameplay question...
The plan calls for the player platforms to be positioned six feet apart from one another. This would keep you from offering the popular "doubles" mode where one player uses both pads to play a song. Obviously, this mode only allows one person on the machine rather than two, but it is extremely impressive (and fun!) to watch a skilled player do.
Is there a saftey or technical reason not to offer this option?
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Mon, May 30, 2005 - 2:23 AMIt could possibly be done. We kinda want the pads separated so that the fire directed at one player doesn't hit the other player. Also, it gives the operator a better line of sight.
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Mon, May 30, 2005 - 9:46 AMWe're also going to build railings around the pads, which would interfere with using them in this doubles mode, though I suppose sections could be made removable. Plus additional programming would be necessary so the computer would understand that one player was driving both sets of flame effects. I say we don't give ourselves any additional work, it would be tres cool but we've got a LOT to do already. I think the novelty of being shot with fire will keep too many people from missing it! -
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Mon, May 30, 2005 - 12:12 PMYeah, I'm with Matt on this one.
Maybe for *next* year's burningman.. but this year I think we'll stick with the basic 1-player-per-pad mode. It's already been designed that way (railings, individual air circulation systems, individual player fire effects) and I'm inclined to keep things as simple as we can.
I mean, given that we're building a giant fire-spewing video game. -
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Mon, May 30, 2005 - 6:29 PM>>>I mean, given that we're building a giant fire-spewing video game.<<<
you say that like it's something out of the ordinary
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Tue, May 31, 2005 - 11:41 AMGood point Matt and Morley. In my head, it seemed like you could just move the pads closer together. Easy, see? But I hadn't thought about the programing and the bit about ventilation systems didn't even occur to me.
I suspect that the software might not really need much modification, as it seems like it would be fine to have only the left side flame go off when left side mistakes are made, but with ventilation and everything, I can see how you might want to keep people constrained to a ~3x3 area rathen than having them flying across about 7 feet of space.
I think what you've currently got planned will be more than enough for folks.
Curious, though: Will the players be tethered to anything for any reason, or will the ventilation and suits be totally self-contained?
Also, sorry I can't help with the party. Will there be anything I can give a hand with when I get back? I'll be available to lend a hand starting the 12th. -
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Tue, May 31, 2005 - 11:48 AMThere will be an umbilical entering each suit from behind; it'll carry the air for ventilation and also have some wires for sensing temperature in the suit. It's going to be pretty lightweight, though, and we'll arrange things so people still have freedom of motion and can't get tripped up on it. The alternative would be a self-contained air supply, which would be way too expensive- not to mention heavy enough to make dancing impossible!
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Thu, June 2, 2005 - 12:20 PMOk, I hadn't thought about the use of an umbilical. Totally makes sense that you need one. An important note: it is not uncommon for a more advanced dancer to spin around in a circle on the pad durring some steps.
For instance, with a L, D, R, U arrow sequence, a dancer might put the left foot on L, right on D, left on R, right on U. This results in a dancer rotated ~180 degrees from start position, and is often finished by continuing the rotation in the same direction. Also, some folks like to spin on a sequence like U+D, L+R, U+D. This would end up with the dancer wrapped up in their umbilical which could be bad in several different ways.
Possible solutions:
1) Putting the umbilical up above the dancer in a manner which will allow it to rotate. This would be ugly and complex, and doesn't sound great.
2) Eliminating steps which are likely to get people rotating. This would be a huge pain in the ass and there's no telling that someone wouldn't do it anyway.
3) Forcefully telling people that they -should-not-rotate- while dancing due to the umbilical.
Solution #3 certainly seems the most practicle and implementable, but it still seems like there should be some sort of contigency plan. Lots of serious DDR folks memorize the steps and the way that they accomplish them, and it would be easy for them to forget instructions in the face of a routine they've done many a time.
Do you have plans for a emergency break-away for the umbilical? It would probably be good to have a fairly robust one as I'd bet it will get used.
Not trying to be all negative, I'm just really intrigued by this project and wanna see it work really well!
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Tue, May 31, 2005 - 11:57 AMMatt answered the ventillation, I can answer the helping out..
YES there is DEFINITELY stuff you can help with after you return! Building pads, building flamethrowers, building platforms... picking songs to have Nicole write stepfiles for... rolling pennies... sewing velcro onto proximity suits... sewing together fabric to make a screen... building a frame to hold the screen...
Some of these things can be done on your own time or even at your own space, if you want to just take on the task. Others of them need to be done at our warehouse shop space (NIMBY) in Oakland.
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Thu, June 2, 2005 - 12:23 PMGreat. Glad to hear I'm not too late to help. With school out, I'm free on weekdays starting at 3pm and can get some time in on weekends too. Plus I'll work with Nicole on stuff, so I'll have company (and an extra set of eyes) even when working on my own.
I'll email when I get back around the 12th or so (though I might need a day or two to recover). I'm looking forward to being part of this!
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